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Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.29 18:54:00 - [1] PREFACE A long time ago, in late 05 when I was first getting into piracy, I wrote a guide that has since become one of the staple piracy guides on the sticky. (A side note: this was on another character, who I sold for ISK [which I gave to in-game friends] when I thought I was quiting the game for good. The player who bought my character seems to be taking credit for my hard work now, and I cant go back and delete my old post in favor of this one sigh. Anyways: ) Since then, I've learned much about the way the game is played and how to pirate. I feel I owe it to the community to contribute what I've learned back to the noobies of today, in the hope that they might take to piracy and roam the seas of low sec like I did then, and still do now. Piracy is the most fun you can have in EVE in my opinion, and something many new players seem attracted to. I myself played many long hours of mind numbing mission running before I attempted my first PvP combat. I died quickly, and could not find any guides that provided the information I needed to survive. So I set about learning to pirate properly all by myself, armed with nothing but a stack of T1 frigates and a desire to yar. Now, many years and four corporations latter, I am finally confident enough to pass my knowledge on. EVE is a deep and complex game, and nowhere is this complexity more obvious than in PvP. In every fight, the myriad of factors and variables that can effect the outcome can be overwhelming in number, and thats even supposing you can find someone to fight in the first place. Life as a pirate, or any PvPer, can sometimes be frustrating, and it is rarely easy. It can take months to become competent at PvP, and years to become skilled. Don't be discouraged, however: the path of the PvPer is an enjoyable one. The rewards of EVE PvP are greater in terms of satisfaction, adrenaline, and just plain fun than any other computer game I have personally ever played. The adrenaline rush you receive every time you jump into combat as a new PvPer (and which I still experience when I'm in a particularly dangerous situation) can be almost unreal. This guide is intended to thoroughly fill you in on the basics you need to pirate, and get you up and running with the minimum of hassle. Provided in this first draft is everything you need to know to get out and yar, including settings for your UI, scanning skills, basic tactics, advice, and fittings and tactics for T1 frigates (and before you ask, YES they are effective pirate ships, even solo, and NO you don't need high skill points! Trust me!) Further versions will include everything you see in the index. New players should read each one of the linked guides IN ORDER (with the exception of the last one, ôwhat ship to train forö, which is optional) before heading out to pirate. And without further ado, I present, ____ Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. Blood Money Inc. Is Hiring Young Pirates
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.29 18:55:00 - [2] THE BEGInNERS GUIDE TO PIRACY, VERSION 2.0 Reserved. ____ Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. Blood Money Inc. Is Hiring Young Pirates
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.29 18:56:00 - [3] reserved ____ Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. Blood Money Inc. Is Hiring Young Pirates
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.29 19:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Waxau Geez Louise! :D Fantastic posts mate. Havent even had a chance to read them fully, but lots of material, thats a certainty! You Sir, get a tip from my pirate hat Thank you. You have no idea how much work went into this, and you're the first person to say anything nice. =P I dont know why I bother with the EVE-O forums sometimes. ____ Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. Blood Money Inc. Is Hiring Young Pirates
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.29 19:51:00 - [5] Originally by: Kirex Seems good, but you should just make it into a .PDF and put it on eve-files. :P I will when its done. ____ Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. Blood Money Inc. Is Hiring Young Pirates
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.29 19:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Electra Deis Ignore the naysayers....it's C&P, home to all the tards that don't like CAOD after all. Awesome work, great material. Keep it up Thank you =) ____ Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. Blood Money Inc. Is Hiring Young Pirates
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.29 20:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Nice job Skira. But really, I think it would have been easier to just make a PDF and keep it updated on eve-files or something. People are going to come along and spam your subsection threads just to mess with them. And don't pay any attention to the noobs in here. All the guys who know what they're doing recognize the work. Keep it up. Short answer: thats what I'm doing right now, but I was stupid and didn't bother to figure out how to encode PDF before posting. Thanks though. The subsections will be deleted/locked when I get my PDF done ____ Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. Blood Money Inc. Is Hiring Young Pirates
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.29 22:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Pax Mentor What i need is the BGP in pdf format... plz ... Working on it =) ____ Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. Blood Money Inc. Is Hiring Young Pirates
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 01:02:00 - [9] Fixed. You all happy now? Now can we get to discussing the guide instead of complaining about my format? ____ Tis an ill wind that blows no minds. Blood Money Inc. Is Hiring Young Pirates
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.30 17:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Chicken Wing I can't seem to see it... EVE Files is apparently down. _ Recruiting Noobie Piracy Guide

Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.01 16:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Verone Pretty good work mate I used to enjoy writing guides myself, until I realised that opening an offshot Academy corp from the main one and physically helping to train young and new pirates was even more effective. Nicely layed out, I like it! The ultimate compliment. Well, see, I do both. I'm running a training corp and I wrote a guide. But thank you, hearing from you means alot. _ Recruiting Noobie Piracy Guide
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.01 16:10:00 - [12] Originally by: Ka Jolo An excellent guide, one to which our pirate forums will soon be linking. In place after place your advice reflects a comprehensive knowledge and experience of a pirate's "real life." In view of this general excellence, it was a bit disconcerting to get to your ship recommendations. My T1 frigate piracy was done in an Incursus, where I never lost to a Tristan, and frequently beat Rifters. My conclusion was that you did your T1 frigate combat in some other race's ships, and are basing your comments regarding the Incursus and Tristan on something other than actual experience. Originally by: http://eve-pirate.blogspot.com/2008/09/what-year-may-bring-forth.html In an Incursus have a kill-loss record against other low-tech frigates of 70-4. I'm 10-0 against rookie ships and shuttles, 28-0 vs. destroyers, 10-1 vs. mining and industrial ships, and 22-12 against low-tech cruisers. Ships I've not fared so well against include battlecruisers (2-4), an interceptor (0-1), stealth bombers (0-3), and battleships (0-2). Overall I'm 142-27 in an Incursus; 87 of those kills I followed up by also killing the poor pilot's capsule. I've heard many good things abou the incursus, but I've never seen it live up to its reputation. How did you fit it, firstly, and what were your tactics with it? I've killed somewhere in the range of 40 incursi in my rifter, and never lost to one in a one on one situation. Many of my corp mates have tried and failed to pirate solo in one sucesfuly, and even I have tried it out several different times (with different configurations). So do tell, how? _ Recruiting Noobie Piracy Guide
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.01 22:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Faekurias HOW DOES ONE SHOT NERFED-WEB? Uhm... you turn it on? _ Recruiting Noobie Piracy Guide
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.02 20:05:00 - [14] Edited by: Skira Ranos on 02/12/2008 20:06:22 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 02/12/2008 11:34:35 A few comments: Blahblahblahblahblah - You're wrong. On all points. Except that battleships shouldn't solo, and possibly that exploration is an income method (I can't mention it because I don't know a thing about it, i don't NPC at all.) You are ESPECIALY wrong about frigates. This opinion has always been held by the idiotic and the risk averse, and has always been wrong, but it is especially wrong post quantum rise. We have killed, in the last few days, in ALL t1 frigate gangs: An Arbitraitor* (solo) A navy osprey (2 frigates) A rupture (3 frigates) A blackbird and a ferox (5 frigates) A blackbird and caracal (5 frigates) A blackbird (4 frigates) A caracal (solo) And a Drake (5 frigates) Of all of these kills, only the arbitraitor was npc fit. So uhm, you're wrong. I'm not going to waste time picking apart the rest of your claims, and i suspect my time will be wasted even on this one. People are stupid and dogmatic about their opinions in this game despite overwhelming evidence, so I won't try. _ Recruiting Noobie Piracy Guide
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.02 20:25:00 - [15] Edited by: Skira Ranos on 02/12/2008 20:27:23 Originally by: Ka Jolo Originally by: Skira Ranos I've heard many good things abou the incursus, but I've never seen it live up to its reputation. How did you fit it, firstly, and what were your tactics with it? Ka Jolo's PvP Incursus Guide Light ion blasters, MAPC, 200mm plate. Set default orbit to 500m, orbit and shoot. Against Rifters, the key is to get in close; if the Rifter pilot succeeds in keeping out of blaster range, it's all over for the Incursus. I've had fights with Rifters where they knocked me deep into armor while I was just trying to get in close enough for blasters--but then once I did get within blaster range, I'd kill them before they could finish me off. I'm not saying that, all else being equal, an Incursus is better than a Rifter; it even has problems killing Punishers (thank goodness it can usually get away). But it's hands-down better than a Tristan, and belongs with the Rifter and Punisher in the top three T1 frigates. Good guide, and I might consider adding that to mine. But I do take issue with the statment that an armor rep is useless, as I've had many many fights (in the last week alone) where the armor rep kept me alive while I fought, or while my gang took someone out. Just last night, i was fighting a caracal that would have killed me without my armor rep. This is a frequent occurance. My low ranking of the incursus is not so much related to its ability to kill other frigates (though I am speculative of that, ESPECAILY post QR where MWDs are deactivated by scramblers, making it near impossible to keep on top of another frigate that has AB). It is more doubt in it's ability to take on cruisers and larger, which are a big stable of pirate diets (especially, like I said, post QR, with the web nerf). Also you have obviously not fought any of the cruiser sited in your guide post QR, as none of them (save the small blaster rax) can hit you with guns, and medium drones now track like medium turrets and are similarly harmless. _ Recruiting Noobie Piracy Guide
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.03 07:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 02/12/2008 21:25:03 1) A proper mix of ships (possibly including a frigate as a tackler) will give you much better results. How about instead of 3x frigates you bring a frigate, a Caracal, and a Blackbird? AND 2) The subject here is a beginner's guide to piracy, not "you've joined a pirate corp, now what?". Your average beginner pirate is not going to have lots of pirate friends to fly with. Like it or not, the only thing a newbie in a solo frigate is going to find is endless frustration and a very bad impression of piracy. If I'd started off in a frigate, I probably would have gone right back to missioning after losing a ton of ships and scoring few kills. On the other hand, by starting in a cruiser, I had enough firepower to do a reasonable "gank and GTFO" against a lot of targets. And yes, it's more expensive, that's why I suggested practice on SiSi. It won't teach you everything, but you'll at least know how to fly your ship properly. By the time a new player has enough skills to stand a decent chance in PvP, they can fly a decently fitted cruiser, and probably have the level 3 missions to support it. As for your dismissal of the other points, I guess you have the right to do that, but all of those are true and learned the hard way, through long experience. You're not helping anyone by leaving out useful information just because you disagree about T1 frigates. Sorry but you're still wrong. Let me clarify: I DID START OFF IN A FRIGATE. SOLO. I learned how to pirate in a T1 Frigate, all by myself. Its not only possible, its effective. I've taken out more cruisers, frigates, destroyers, and ever battlecruisers and a few t2 ships than I can count solo in a Rifter. As for our fights: Yes, we had advantages in most of those situations. As a PvPer, half the fight is getting the advantage, be it by strength of numbers, the fact that the enemy ship can't effectively fight you (due to size, speed, fitting, or the fact that it's a noob or NPC ship), or simply having a better ship. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH WINNING AT AN ADVANTAGE. What makes you think this makes a difference? As for your most recent points: 1: OF COURSE A PROPER MIX WOULD BE BETTER. I never denied that. However, beleive it or not, the price of a t1 cruiser is a lot for many people, especially and you are FAR MORE LIKELY to lose a cruiser than a frigate early in your career, due the the proliferation of gate camping nowadays, and the lower agility and higher desirability as a target in belts. In addition, it takes a lot more skill points to fit one out well. The point is not that Frigates are better, AFs do everything frigates do but better, and ceptors do everything frigates do but faster, not to mention that many other classes of ships are far more powerful and effective that frigates. Its just that frigates ARE EFFECTIVE at taking out both each other and cruisers and BCs, and are incredibly underestimated (as evidenced by your high degree of criticism). Yes, a lot of things will kill you, but guess what? This is just as true in ANY OTHER SHIP IN THE GAME. If they bring a blob, you die. If they fit to kill you, they die. If they have a ship that can effectively counter yours, you die (all of this supposing escape is impossible, of course, but thats a different issue). In a frigate, you can evade easily, you can kill cruisers with as much (or more) ease as if you were in a cruiser yourself (depending on what/who you're fighting) and they are dirt cheap to lose. Learning to fly something that takes a bit of skill and practice to use, while not hurting your wallet, is probably the wisest thing you can do. Sure you may die a lot, but like I said, that is true of ANY beginning pirate, and I venture that when I ômoved upö from frigates to cruisers, I died FAR FAR more often and lost MUCH more money than when I flew frigates. (continued) _ Recruiting Noobie Piracy Guide
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.03 07:18:00 - [17] 2: I fly frigates solo much of the time. I know a 2 year in game VETO pilot who flies Rifters often, and does extrodinarily well in them. You are very wrong to dismiss them. ôLike it or notö, I have > 30 < corp members who are all noobies and fly T1 frigates in BOTH solo piracy AND gangs, and are effective in both situations. Yes, they die a lot, but they also get a lot of kills and ransoms for their time. Not a one has gone back to missions ôin frustrationö, with the notable exeption of one pilot. Why him? HE FLEW A CRUISER AND LOST IT. Another thing you seem to ignore is that a frigate or destroyer kill alone is more than enough to satisfy a beginning pirate, and it is an easy way to learn how to PvP before moving on to bigger things. As for your other points from the previous post: scan probes are great, yes, and I am not dismissing them in any way (how did you get that impression?) I just haven't added the part of the guide detailing them yet. Practice on SiSi: yes its a great idea, but of everyone I've ever flown with in EVE, I know of 5 who play on SiSi (including myself). Most people don't have the dedication or patience to use the test server or practice in a non-risk situation before trying it for real, and for many this is impossible as they start pirating only a few days into the game (as they should, if they want to). For myself, I know that the test server is a great testing grounds, but I much prefer the risk of learning by experience on the real server. Though there is nothing wrong with testing, for me the risk and uncertainty of a new setup or tactic is part of what makes EVE what it is. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way you play or the way you learned to PvP, but you are wrong to dismiss other people's styles and ideas just because they are different than your own or because you havn't tried them yourself. Just because something is not ôidealö or ôthe most effectiveö does not mean it is the wrong way to go about it. _ Recruiting Noobie Piracy Guide
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.03 09:08:00 - [18] Edited by: Skira Ranos on 03/12/2008 09:09:20 Merin: this character is two weeks old. I was getting kills on DAY TWO. When I learned to pirate originally on my old character, I was 2 months in game and a caldari speced char with no gunnery or armor tank skills, and I flew a Rifter. You are also ignoring the fact that i have an entire corp full of fresh out of the gates noobies who are doing just fine solo in t1 frigates and enjoying themselves massively. As for scan probes: getting probed IS fairly rare. That doesn't make it any less of a threat. I never said being probed wasn't a threat, I just said it was rare. _ Recruiting Noobie Piracy Guide
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.03 18:39:00 - [19] Edited by: Skira Ranos on 03/12/2008 18:40:23 Edited by: Skira Ranos on 03/12/2008 18:39:40 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Well then I would love to know where you pirate, because everywhere I look, all I find is: 1) Targets that would be suicide for a T1 frigate (drones, experienced players in AFs, etc). 2) Targets that have friends around (IOW, suicide for a T1 frigate). 3) Targets that are near FW blobs (IOW, gank and GTFO is critical, and a frigate can't do it). 4) Targets that are in systems with other pirates (IOW, gank and GTFO again). Of course I forgot to mention the best place for newbies in T1 frigates: *highsec can flipping*. Lots of non-combat or poorly-fitted combat ships, a lot of equally inexperienced victims, and a lot of ability to manage aggro and make the "gank and GTFO" rule a lot less strict. In fact, with very careful management of aggro timers, you can arrange it so you have plenty of time to take as long as you need to wear down the target, with CONCORD ready to protect you if anyone else tries to ruin your 1v1. And hey, bring a hauler, and even if they don't take the bait, you just take all their ore and get your money anyway. Can baiting is fine. It's just not piracy. Not to mention that four of my often active trainees in my corp started out can flipping and hated it. Two said it almost turned them off of PvP to begin with. They all said that they could never ever ever get fights. I know this is not always true, but its true enough that I recommend piracy over it. As for you examples: 1) Ships that CAN fit light drones (medium drones are worthless against frigates post QR, i fought a vexor with hammer IIs the day after QR, and with a web his drones couldn't hit me. I ransomed him in the end.) often don't. Targets that look scary on paper are often much less so when you try them. Yes, sometimes you will die, but of the people who frequent low sec many dont have a glimmer of an idea how to fit their ships. Yes, if you bump into light drones they will kill you, but every ship type has its rock paper scisors counterpart. (yeah AFs will kill you, but they'll butchered a cruiser post QR too) 2) You will always find people with backup no matter what ship you're flying, and they can always kill you with enough people. Thats irrelevent. 3) FW blobs react very very slowly, and are often composed of noobs who scatter in terror when a hostile warps in. In addition, a solo frigate can get some VERY nice ganks in FW "minor complexes" where entrance is restricted to t1 frigates and destroyers. Often, 1-6 frigates will seperate off from the main blob to run the minor plex. When you enter as a pirate, chances are half of those people will scatter in terror, and the res t will be too far appart to help each other. I've gotten many many many kills off of FW gangs like this. 4) The solution to this one is don't be a coward. We attacked a drake in mara last night with five frigates. There were 3 HACs, two ceptors, and a CS on scan. Luckily, the drake was crap fit (I was counting on it, the char was young) and we were in and out right before the gang found us. Had this been a cruiser or frigate, I would have pulled the same solo. Example: just 20 minutes prior I had taken on a Caracal with his corp mate and two veto pilots in local. His friend came in in a assault launcher cara mere seconds after the first popped, and I escaped easily. Veto didn't interfere, but instead offered to help me probe the guys pod (he logged). Yes, sometimes you will die, but all you will be losing is a T1 frigate that is easily replaceable. Many, many, many more times than you will die, however, you will get supprising kills or ransoms. Fate rewards the bold, not the timid. _ Recruiting Noobie Piracy Guide
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.05 20:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 05/12/2008 09:40:50 Originally by: Skira Ranos Fate rewards the bold, not the timid. I agree entirely. It's even more fun when you're ganking someone while the local anti-pirates can only sit and watch uselessly. The problem with frigates is it's so much harder to be bold, at least if you want to do it successfully. Two examples from today (granted, they involve my near-max-skill Phantasm, not a newbie's T1 cruiser, but the general idea is the same) that highlight what I'm talking about: 1) Ganking a Drake with a known anti-pirate in system (etc.) I'm not arguing other ships are not better, you keep coming back to that. however, a week old noob in a cruiser is not going to be able to, as you put it, gank and GTFO. he will instead die painfully to the blob. In other news, me and a wingmate killed a raven in rifters yesterday... Merin, I know that high SP and big ships will often trump low sp and small ships. Thats not the issue. The issue is that you CAN pirate in T1 frigates, and do so successfully from the get go, with absolutely bare minimum skill points. My corporation's killboards are proof enough of that. Any other points you try and make are completely off the mark. No matter what you say, or what evidence you try and present, nothing can change the truth. I've been doing frigate piracy for 3 years, and I LEARNED piracy in a frigate in the first place. That is not to say I havn't used big ships in my time too (you might recall a certain dominix when I was still flying as Ren Tales) My favorite pirate ships in the game are the Vagabond, Arazu, Pilgrim, Hurricane, Crow, Jaguar, Ishkur... and Rifter. If you reply to this post with more arguing and attempts at proving me wrong, I will have no choice but to ignore you. This argument has gone on long enough, and its clear to me your opinion can't be changed. In light of that, I think it is wise to discontinue this pointless dialog. Fly safe Merin. _ Recruiting Noobie Piracy Guide

Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.09 11:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Aeon Starcatcher Great Guide first off, just wanted to ask... Is there one good system for starting pirates? Or should I just pick a system that is low sec and gets some traffic? You'll have to find your own hunting grounds, sorry =) _ Recruiting Noobie Piracy Guide
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:08:00 - [22] Originally by: G'kek Why on earth is this stickied and not simply in the resource thread? Last thing the game needs is more newblet can tippers scaring off the new industrialists. Not actually reading the guide ftl? __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.08 14:50:00 - [23] Originally by: Sagacious Z Gosh, I am just a meek, kindhearted, foxy Vherokior vixxen, but after reading your excellent guide, I just may turn to the dark side. The darkside could always use more vixens. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.10 11:58:00 - [24] Updated.
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.12 13:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Megan Maynard Exerpt: So Jack McSwain wrote this not the Skira Ranos making the post.... No, Jack McSwain is my real name. Skira Ranos is my new main character. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.27 06:15:00 - [26] Originally by: Tractus Vesica Bloody pirates. You called? __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.01.31 22:03:00 - [27] Recruitment yeah we're still open. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.30 02:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Pponmypupu Originally by: Merin Ryskin In theory, you are correct, a proper PvP fit destroyer will rip a frigate apart in seconds. In reality, however, *very* few destroyers are flown by high-skill PvP pilots. The vast majority of them are flown by newbie carebears looking for their first upgrade from a frigate before they have the skills for a cruiser, and are very easy kills. i dunno. if i were in a destroyer and a frigate jumped me, pve fit or not i would think i could handle him simply because i have more guns/high innate tracking speed. even for noobs like me itd just be a matter of target lock and twiddle your thumbs... unless i am missing something here i still don't see how destroyers are easy kills for frigates. More guns, but same DPS due to the ROF penalty. And considerably less tank than a frig. And often range fit, and tracking bonus or no, ranged guns wont track a close orbiting frig. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.04.10 02:16:00 - [29] Edited by: Skira Ranos on 10/04/2009 02:23:15 Edited by: Skira Ranos on 10/04/2009 02:17:50 Originally by: Nusua Ja'Zaakh But still, the optimistic tone of this guide & that of many pirate blogs i've read: 'ye, i said to myself, i'm gonne try this, rigged a frigate and on the first evening I killed x & x & x.. ' My experience is quiete a contrast to that. I dont have much game-time in a week, but the hours of teaching myself to be a master-scanner have tought me this: Maybe in the 'old days' of EvE but now, Apart of myself, there is no such thing as a wandering Noob in low-sec, happely mining roids or ratting low-sec goodies. 1/3the of the people encountered are alt's, doing in-station stuff. 1/3th are pirates, flying insane ships, 1/3th are are miners; not mining roids, but moons in heavely defended POS. Two things: "Ye olde days of eve" is a common misconception. Piracy is HARD HARD HARD work, and there never was a "good old days". It has always been hard, well at least it has for the 4 years I've been doing it. That said, you are wrong on the "there's no such thing". There IS such a thing, the problem lies in finding them before they spot you and run, before another pirate finds them first, or even just finding the system there in. Until you get very very good at hunting, they WILL elude you. Its a matter of patience and a matter of practice. I might have to amend the next edition of the guide to stress this: Piracy is not easy. Piracy is not action-packed (unless you're very good and/or very lucky). Piracy is (one of) EVE's "Hard", "Expert", or "Very Hard" mode. It takes patience, skill, and lots and lots of practice before you start to get lots of good kills. From the sound of it, you went on one roam. Great, good work. Looks like you discovered the basics of piracy: Everyone and their cousin has a massive ship/blob or is hiding in a POS. Even myself, having massive amounts of practice and a battlecruiser at minimum nowadays, only find viable targets every other roam. Now go on ten more roams, THEN if you don't get at least a few good fights, then you can complain. The life of the pirate is not an easy one, not by far, and I thought I stressed that in the guide. EVE is hard, and piracy, though a good way to get into PvP, is even harder. Footnote: For those who might be ready to smack me, let me stress that I mean "solo" piracy and/or "frigate" piracy is hard. Yes, I am aware you can get OMGWTFUBAR kills camping gates/stations with 20+ man blobs, but to me that's not really piracy, or at least not my definition of fun piracy. Edit: If I seem angry/confrontational in this post, I'm sorry. I was a bit... stressed RL when I wrote this. I mean everything I said, but I apologize for the tone. Just trying to be helpful __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.04 12:07:00 - [30] Edited by: Skira Ranos on 04/05/2009 12:08:02 Hmm... as much as I'd like to support the EVElopedia effort, and may indeed port this over there, I must say I'm a bit.. taken aback. Is it possible to keep a sticky up here with a link to the EVElopedia article in question? The main reason this guide has been read so thoroughly is its stickied location. Note: This threads "Reads" count at time of posting: 29049 The Official CnP resources thread: 2536 Now I know the resources thread has been recently reposted, but I seem to recall always seeing an extremely low number there. The accessibility of this guide is one of the things that's made it so effective, and helped many people get into piracy and have fun in game where they otherwise would not have gotten into PvP at all, or become frustrated and quit the game (as I originally did when I was learning PvP the hard way). EVElopedia is wonderful, but in its current form gets a lot less attention than these forums do. I would love to support EVElopedia in growing and becoming the main guide/resource database for EVE, but it simply isn't acesed by as many noobies as CCP would probably like at the moment, whereas the EVE-O forums are. Originally by: CCP Mitnal Our policy is to keep stickies temporary and fresh. Does that mean if I re-write the whole thing you'll sticky the new thread for that one? If so I'll sacrifice all my time in the next 3 days to writing a new edition. Anything? I urge you to reconsider this. __ Recruiting

Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.11 21:11:00 - [31] I would move that this is far from stale. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.16 08:29:00 - [32] Edited by: Skira Ranos on 16/05/2009 08:34:01 Originally by: Drake Omen I just started playing EVE about 4 days ago, within 2 days I had my first run in with a dirty pirate that shall remain nameless. There I was minding my own buisness mining some ore in .5 space, I had a jettison canister floating about 2000M away and happend to notice said pirate hanging there checking it out. I re-jettison the can and he follows to it, I send him a message... After a few minutes he laughs at me and accuses me of being an alt and as punishment steals all my ore, jettisons it from his ship... and blows it up. Then when 2 of my buddies warp in to the field he bolts like a cowardly pirate and sends me a message saying "Oh your buddy there has played since 2003? See ya later!" Moral of the Story: Pirates are cowards and I dont like them. They pray on noobs and at the first sign of an experienced player they turn tail and run. Hell thats even listed as a strategy for pirating, how sad. Oh and please dont brag about playing "PvP" you should say you PvN, Player versus Noobs, cuz seems to me you "pirates" avoid the real players. Good job on the Guide tho Skira it gave me some tips on what to look out for, Ill be saving it for later reference. Three things: 1: Highlighted your mistake. 2: Can flippers are not pirates. 3: The hunter who hunts for food (or even for pleasure merely) doesn't care how helpless his prey is. Prey is prey. A good fight vs a fair opponent can be great sport when it happens, but no PvPer (be they pirate, merc, can flipper or otherwise) cares if you are a noob or a veteran: You are prey just the same. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.05.24 14:50:00 - [33] Edited by: Skira Ranos on 24/05/2009 14:54:50 Mitnal: as much as I liked the idea of EVElopedia to begin with, and initially wished to support CCPs push for it, it seems you all have failed to understand what really makes wiki's work: the contributors MUST do it on their own accord. They are community efforts; when we create pages, we do so to help others, NOT to help the parent corporation that owns the game we love. If you feel EVElopedia is being underutilized, that is no-one's failing but your own. Forcing people to help you with an ineffective idea is NOT the way to improve it. I don't claim to know what /is/ the best way to improve it, but this certainly isn't it. This, in fact, is one of the best way to alienate otherwise helpful people like myself. I would gladly have ported this over to EVElopedia IN ADDITION to keeping it here, for example. As it is, your blunt, desperate strongarm tactics (barely short of outright bullying) have cause me to rethink my support. This guide will not be moving over to EVElopedia, and I calmly ask that no one else do so for me. I will find and alternative way to promote it and continue it's existence. Thank you all for your support thus far, and I am sorry Mitnal. I do not mean for this to be any kind of declaration of war or hostility, merely representative of the fact that I strongly disagree with CCP's underhanded tactics with regards to EVElopedia and I will not bow to them. -Skira __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.18 08:08:00 - [34] Huh? __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.20 01:13:00 - [35] Doing my part to keep this alive. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.22 04:59:00 - [36] In other news, Zymurg randomly deletes all posts by guide author Skira Ranos on the last two pages but leaves most the actual spam alone. Passive agresive much z? __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.28 02:49:00 - [37] Up ye go. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.29 09:24:00 - [38] And why I refuse to put in on Evelopedia (or allow anyone else to do so). __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.07.30 21:00:00 - [39] 3rd edition is in the works. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.05 11:12:00 - [40] Whats this doing on the second page? __ Recruiting

Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.07 22:38:00 - [41] This shouldn't be on page 2... __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.08 21:50:00 - [42] And its on page 2... again. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.18 03:08:00 - [43] Up you go. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.20 16:22:00 - [44] Emeril: This WAS a sticky. They unstuck it. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.08.22 19:38:00 - [45] Posting to confirm the awesomeness of above 3 out of 4 of the above posters. See if you can figure out which! __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.09.08 08:27:00 - [46] Up you go. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.01 01:50:00 - [47] Whats this doing all the way down here? __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.05 10:05:00 - [48] Whats this doing down here? __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.06 12:51:00 - [49] Up ye go. __ Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.16 23:08:00 - [50] Up ye go. __ Now Recruiting Both Vets and Rookies

Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.18 03:44:00 - [51] keep it up guys, har har pun intended. __ Now Recruiting Both Vets and Rookies
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.18 13:38:00 - [52] Slowly working on updates... its hard to manage real life, a PvP video production (don't expect too much, I'm a noob at video editing), managing the alliances big new recruitment drive, etc etc and write what basically amounts to a small manuscript of PvP revisions. I mean usually people get 6+ months of dedicated work to write 60+ page research papers, right? sigh. __ Now Recruiting Both Vets and Rookies
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.21 09:53:00 - [53] Thinking about doing something along those lines ghost... __ Now Recruiting Both Vets and Rookies
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.24 08:42:00 - [54] This is way too low... __ Now Recruiting Both Vets and Rookies
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.10.29 23:21:00 - [55] Originally by: Ob'lisk So I am still reading the 3rd page and continuing, but I had to ask: How exactly do you defeat drones when in a T1 Frigate? Can you? And if so what are some of your methods? Generally, Merin is dead right on this one. That said, I've watched a friend kill a fairly skilled arbitraitor in his Rifter. The thing is, if they have good drone skills you die, and if they're doing anything ELSE to you (neuting, they have missiles and they're hitting, small guns etc) while you're trying to manage their drones, you lose. __ Now Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.11.11 08:31:00 - [56] CSM? hmm __ Now Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.11.17 22:39:00 - [57] coughbumpcough __ Now Recruiting
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.12.08 11:44:00 - [58] Bump __ Now Recruiting Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.12.09 19:41:00 - [59] What's this doing on page 2? __ Now Recruiting Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.12.14 14:33:00 - [60] Originally by: Spectre3353 Hey Skira, are you going to update the guide soon? You seem to be missing the section about how to run away and move your entire corp to another system at the slightest hint of competition or PvP. Thanks! I don't know, maybe you should write that one. I hear Dead Terrorists are enjoying Egghelende. __ Now Recruiting Kokuryu Pirate Blog

Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.01.27 10:56:00 - [61] Up ye go. __ Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Tribe of One death from above..	Posted - 2010.03.21 18:28:00 - [62] Gentle nudge. __ Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.04.02 22:26:00 - [63] LIIIVE MY CHILD __ Recruiting Pirates Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.04.04 13:06:00 - [64] Up ye go. __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.04.05 21:59:00 - [65] What are you doing down here thread? __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.04.17 03:14:00 - [66] bump __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.04.28 04:33:00 - [67] Up ye go. __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.05.02 19:25:00 - [68] Page 3? Yikes. __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.05.09 22:31:00 - [69] Page three?! The thread RISETH! __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.05.12 14:07:00 - [70] Up ye go. __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog

Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.05.18 13:07:00 - [71] Work on 3.0 begins this week. __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.05.24 06:20:00 - [72] up ye go. __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.05.31 00:01:00 - [73] up to the top __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.04 22:37:00 - [74] ARISETH I SAY __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.12 13:56:00 - [75] performs the ancient voodoo ritual needed to keep the guide alive each day __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.18 11:33:00 - [76] Up I say! __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.21 06:43:00 - [77] Thread, I summon thee! __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.26 08:34:00 - [78] Ahem. __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Hatchet Men The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.29 01:22:00 - [79] resurectus. __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.02 09:19:00 - [80] buh bump

Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2010.09.04 09:28:00 - [81] Originally by: Scorpionidae Originally by: Skira Ranos buh bump Dose that mean verson 3 is still going to happen? Of course. I took a short break from EVE without warning, but I'm back, and back to working on the guide. __ Recruiting Pirates and Mercenaries Kokuryu Pirate Blog
Skira Ranos Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2011.01.25 16:55:00 - [82] Bump __ Tis an ill wind that blows no minds.

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